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Not long ago, we talked to author and consultant Jodi Detjen about what it will take get women’s careers out of the second-rate zone — and give men equal cred as parents. After our episode on the Motherhood Penalty, her advice seems more relevant than ever. Listen as we revisit what Jodi had to say about upending the status quo, and why it will take men, women, (and employers) to make it happen.

Resources for (Rewind) Secrets of Successful Working Parents

• The Motherhood Penalty Is Real (Episode 27)
• Removing Self-Imposed Barriers to Success (Orange Grove Consulting study)
• Madam CEO, Get Me a Coffee (New York Times opinion article)